Who created the universe? God or Tom?

Does it really take a god to create a universe?

Most religious arguments make a statement similar to "God is this infinitely (most imaginable) powerful being". For the purpose of this post we will define define that god not as infinite but a really big number way in excess of most of following arguments. 

Let me start with the first fact. Universe is defined at Kardishev 5 power level. Now based on above god statement lets take that instead of infinite but a mathmatically understandable number of 1000. So we will define the above god as Kardishev 5 x 1000 = Kardishev 5000. Since Kardishev is exponential the 5000 is really really big. So many zeros would take you years to add.

Lets look at what we are starting with:

Universe = Kardishev 5

God = Kardishev 5000

If we are using a monotheistic model then only one being is at Kardishev 5000. If we are looking at biblical sources then we know there are other celestial beings. It therefore would stand that celestial beings are all those with K < 5000. Bible cites numerous cases of celestial beings having power levels to destroy cities. So from that we know

Celestial beings > Human Power

Celestial beings < Kardishev 5000

Bible cites many celestial beings in all different books. There is no definition of limits of power of celestial beings so reasonable to assume some are more powerful than others yet still less than K5000. Even a being worth of cleaning a celestial bathroom could have K200 or K500. They still can be an insignificant spec to a being at K5000.

We can derive from the above, that a celestial bathroom cleaner can have more than enough power to create our universe and even a universe 1000x bigger.

T0M (Tee-Zero-Em) - Time Zero Machine

It is very frustrating to hear people talk about Big Bang, then you hear words like contingent, non-contingent beings, something coming from nothing and so on.
There seems to be always presented it as a binary A or B. There is a simple third option as a concept. I call it T0M or TOM. Let me start this with the simplest idea. It only takes a stupid non-intelligent time-zero machine that works at Kardashev 5. That is it.

How do you create a universe?
Silly example #1. A wiggly worm crawls accross a light sensor and turns on the TOM and a universe is popped out.
Silly example #2. A baby entity is sat down on control panel and accidentally has its backside push the MU (Make Universe) button.

What the examples represent.
1. Kardashev 5 level energy is all that is required.
2. A machine can work at Kardashev 5 level
3. The machine operates at or through Time Zero
4. A time zero machine does not have to be or have intelligence
5. The activation of TOM does not require significant intelligence (worm)
6. Or the activation can be done by accident or other

Religion: Praying louder and bigger

PNT prayer is properly delivered create null space during religious, political or other public expressions.

This should be done by being louder, bigger, talking over, or even expressed such to contain the public expression of other religious influenced or potentially influenced expressions to create the most substantial null effect to the original non-PNT content.

PNT exists by the propegation and spread of the PNT idea both during any such prayer but also in echoes of future conversations, discussions, and talk that my follow a PNT prayer.

Kardashev Argument better than Cosmological Argument

Very common in apologetic techniques is the cosmological argument or the kalam cosmological argument.

Both variations have one thing is common. The idea that everything that exists has a cause. Therefore Good god caused it.

I think we can go even simpler with the Kardashev Argument which I will state as a slight variation of the kalam argument.

Original Kalam Argument:
1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe must have a cause. 

New Kardashev Argument

1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
2. A thing that a Type IV karashev machine can create began to exist.
3. Therefore, the thing must have been caused by a Type IV or higher machine. 

4. Machines can be controlled or operated by magnitudes lower machines or sources

If someone has a belief that God created man in his image. Man creates machines. Machines can be operated by push of a button to control power sources equivalent of the sun.

... I am not even going to continue this line of argument. 

Any skilled person with debate skills can continue this line of reasoning. Even to such simple things as a puppy could sit their butt on a red switch that controls a Type IV machine. 

If any of this seems out too far out. "Michio Kaku suggested that humans may attain Type I status in 100–200 years, Type II status in a few thousand years, and Type III status in 100,000 to a million years." (source Wikipedia, see below). So if early hominids had started on a path of writing and science, we would be a Type III civilization and maybe even approaching a Type IV.

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Details of these sources cited as of 6/23/14:

William Lane Craig's version of the kalam cosmological argument is as follows:
1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe must have a cause. 
(Source:  http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Kalam)

Cosmological Argument. The argument runs like this:
1. Everything that exists must have a cause.
2. If you follow the chain of events backwards through time,
     it cannot go back infinitely, so eventually you arrive at the first cause.
3. This cause must, itself, be uncaused.
4. But nothing can exist without a cause, except for God.
5. Therefore, God exists.
(Source: http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Cosmological_argument)

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Kardashev Scale Definition (source: Wikipedia  Kardashev_scale)
Type I
"Technological level close to the level presently attained on earth, with energy consumption at ≈4×10¹⁹ erg/sec (4 × 10¹² watts.) Guillermo A. Lemarchand stated this as "A level near contemporary terrestrial civilization with an energy capability equivalent to the solar insolation on Earth, between 10¹⁶ and 10¹⁷watts."
Type II
"A civilization capable of harnessing the energy radiated by its own star (for example, the stage of successful construction of a Dyson sphere), with energy consumption at ≈4×10³³ erg/sec. Lemarchand stated this as "A civilization capable of utilizing and channeling the entire radiation output of its star. The energy utilization would then be comparable to the luminosity of our Sun, about 4×10³³ erg/sec (4×10²⁶ watts)."
Type III
"A civilization in possession of energy on the scale of its own galaxy, with energy consumption at ≈4×10⁴⁴ erg/sec." Lemarchand stated this as "A civilization with access to the power comparable to the luminosity of the entire Milky Way galaxy, about 4×10⁴⁴ erg/sec (4×10³⁷ watts)."

Type IV

A Type Ⅳ civilization extracts energy, information, and raw materials from all possible galaxies; it is effectively immortal and omnipotent with universal-scale influence, possessing the ability of theoretical time travel and instantaneous matter-energy transformation and teleportation (their apparent abilities may include moving entire asteroid belts and stars, creating alternate timelines, and affecting universal states of nature such as the gravitational constant); in fiction, these civilizations may be perceived as omnipresence/omnipotent gods:

Current status of human civilization
Further information: World energy resources and consumption

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In 1964, Kardashev defined three levels of civilizations, based on the order of magnitude of power available to them:

Michio Kaku suggested that humans may attain Type I status in 100–200 years, Type II status in a few thousand years, and Type III status in 100,000 to a million years.

Carl Sagan suggested defining intermediate values (not considered in Kardashev's original scale) by interpolating and extrapolating the values given above for types I (10¹⁶ W), II (10²⁶ W) and III (10³⁶ W), which would produce the formula

where value K is a civilization's Kardashev rating and P is the power it uses, in watts. Using this extrapolation, a "Type 0" civilization, not defined by Kardashev, would control about 1 MW of power, and humanity's civilization type as of 1973 was about 0.7 (apparently using 10 terawatt (TW) as the value for 1970s humanity).

In 2008, total world energy consumption was 474 exajoules (474×10¹⁸ J=132,000 TWh), equivalent to an average power consumption of 15 TW (or 0.717 on Sagan's Kardashev scale).

Fun Fact: Kanye West (5' 8") is actually 2 inches taller than Jesus. Very cool

Most historical evidence shows men having an average max height of 5 foot 6 inches. The is no notations of Jesus being commented as tall or above average which indicates that his size would have been an unremarkable 5'6" tall.

Fun Fact: Too funny - Seth Green (5' 4") is only 2 inches shorter than Jesus.

Most historical evidence shows men having an average max height of 5 foot 6 inches. The is no notations of Jesus being commented as tall or above average which indicates that his size would have been an unremarkable 5'6" tall.

Fun Fact: Musician Usher (5' 8") is 2 inches taller than Jesus.

Most historical evidence shows men having an average max height of 5 foot 6 inches. The is no notations of Jesus being commented as tall or above average which indicates that his size would have been an unremarkable 5'6" tall.

Fun Fact: Jon Stewart (5'6") and Jesus same height. I guess they see eye to eye

Most historical evidence shows men having an average max height of 5 foot 6 inches. The is no notations of Jesus being commented as tall or above average which indicates that his size would have been an unremarkable 5'6" tall.

Fun Fact: LIL WAYNE (5' 6") and Jesus same height

Most historical evidence shows men having an average max height of 5 foot 6 inches. The is no notations of Jesus being commented as tall or above average which indicates that his size would have been an unremarkable 5'6" tall.

Fun Fact: Actor Robert Downey Jr. (5' 9") is 3 inches taller than Jesus

Most historical evidence shows men having an average max height of 5 foot 6 inches. The is no notations of Jesus being commented as tall or above average which indicates that his size would have been an unremarkable 5'6" tall.

Fun Fact: Sylvester Stallone/Rocky (5'7") taller than Jesus

Most historical evidence shows men having an average max height of 5 foot 6 inches. The are no notations of Jesus being commented as tall or above average which indicates that his size would have been an unremarkable 5 foot 6 inches tall.

This height is also shorter than the actor

Baptism: Cross and "Republican" are PNT Baptism tokens.

PNT Baptism is now officially recognized and transmitted permanently with the spoken, written, viewed or otherwise word or idea expressed using "republican". The PNT Baptism is also permanently conveyed and recognized by anyone wearing, viewing or otherwise encountering a cross symbol, whether decorated or plain, or it being all 4 parts same size or different.
One these tokens or other baptismal tokens are experienced, the PNT Baptism is conveyed and permanent and all other religious baptisms are stripped from that person and can never be reacquired or in same or different form.
Both of these tokens carry same force in social media as hashtags, images, video or other methods of expressing the idea.

Fun Fact: Go to 143rd word of KJV bible. Heaven is defined

When talking with a Christian, ask them if they believe their loved ones are in heaven. Tell them great. Have them go to the 143rd word (or so) and get the exact location for you. The raqiya (solid dome covering earth) is "heaven". Heaven is not above the raqiya, or below it. It is specifically the raqiya itself.
  The raqiya was defined as a solid dome for 1000s of years. Only recently have people started to try to redefine the word instead of as "dome or firmament" to "expanse". So make a point that it is important that the we don't want any modern definitions that did not exist then messing with the bible.

Religion: Twitter Baptism

PNT Baptism is conferred upon someone as an idea. The Hashtag "#PNTBaptized" or "#PNTBaptism" or any similar method of sharing the baptism shall be valid.

You are now PNT Null Baptized

Recorded entry.

Today I am recording the official entry of all residents of the USA being PNT baptized. It was not performed by me but was witnessed by me. It was formed by the words "PNT baptism". It was also carried on that "PNT baptized" or "Null Baptism" or variations posed as a question or statement immediately caused the baptism to occur on the reader or the writer.

 These 2 words when used in querying, Google searching, writing on the topic, commenting or discussing the topic causes anyone to permanently receive the baptism.

  So if you have read, heard, wrote or otherwise experienced the 2 words "PNT baptism" ever in your life then you have received the PNT Baptism and whatever other baptism you have previously had is not permanently gone and cannot be replaced nor override the PNT baptism.

  If you have read the this post to this point then you have received the PNT baptism over 8 times. Actually I recommend you count how many times in case I am wrong, that will help make sure you get it another 5 or 6 or more times.

Baptism

Poly Null Theism baptism permanently deletes any previous baptisms and creates permanent null baptism that original baptism or other cannot replace.

The Baptism will feed back down any application of future attempts at changing the baptism and removing the baptism of anyone trying to override it.

The baptism will ride back in reverse channel and permanently make null any existing baptism.

Poly Null Baptism rides on the flow of ideas. It does not require water, air or any other physical matter. Baptism is achieved by placing the null baptism as an idea. The idea remains permanent.

The more the idea is touched, thought about, attempted to reverse or change, or whatever, makes
the idea stronger and spread. The baptism is the most important ritual that exists as of this writing.

The baptism is permanent and irreversible.

Baptism can be done on internet, in person, on phone, voice, text or any other way that an idea can be spread.

Orig Baptized A (OBA)  + Given PNT Baptism (NULL) = NULL

NULL + Orig Baptized A (OBA) = NULL

NULL + New Baptism in Other Religion (NBO) = NULL

So once null baptism takes place, it remains null.

Decon - The Russell Dome Argument

The argument is being roughly defined now and here. I will likely offer refinements in later posts.

"The Russell Dome" argument I believe is the single most powerful and persuasive argument and in the end I feel my be either the only argument needed or the final nail. It is to strictly focus and deal with all things "firmament" from genesis 1:6-20. Period. This is the strategy.

The tactics are way too many to list here, but I can get started w some.

- most Christians have a vague idea of heaven, it is precisely defined and located in genesis. This is exactly where their loved ones who passed away and could be one of the lucky 144,000 in heaven/firmament.
- firmament was dome was accepted idea until only recently changed, and modern ideas like outer space must be wrong

Fun fact: Jesus and Jack Black same size

Most historical evvidence shows men having an average max height of 5 foot 6 inches. The is no notations of Jesus being commented as tall or above average which indicates that his size would have been an unremarkable 5'6" tall.

This height is also the same height as the actor Jack Black.

Faith - It is all about the reqiya

Christian belief is based on Original Sin. Original Sin comes from the idea of the sins of Adam and Eve in Genesis 2, but we have to go back to Genesis 1.

Genesis 1 is all about the creation of the universe per the bible story line. If someone wants to believe in the purpose of Jesus' resurrection from for the atonement of Original Sin. If atonement makes sense, then original sin makes sense, if that makes sense then raqiya makes sense.

Note the key to Christianity and accepting Jesus is the acceptance of the raqiya. Many apologists will attempt to explain raqiya with a more modern interpretation of "expanse" than the original interpretation of "Firmament" or Solid Dome.  So they have to decide is raqiya really old or is it new. If it is old then it is firmament, if it new, then does not really matter because they are discarding the old.

The key is to just stay with the original word raqiya and let the other people expose their interpretations. No need to interpret but work with the original word with its original meaning especially considering the original cosmology understood at the time.

Faith - Raqiya and Firmament

The most important part of the christian faith come from the Genesis. There are 2 parts to point out - Original Sin is critical and Original Sin was created under the Raqiya (Firmament).

"Raqiya`" pronounced "raw-kee'-ah". Hebrew word interpreted as "Firmament" or Dome.

Genesis (KJV)
1:6. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters
1:7. Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so.
1:8. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.

1:20. Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.”

This is a reference post and will be cited throughout future posts.

Belief #4 - Null is Real and Natural

Poly Null Theism (PNT) is based on reality and nature. There is no need for imaginary beings except that they can be fun to be in the container. Pretend, Fiction and Imaginary are great for stories, for inspiration, for fantasy and they should not be confused with things and ideas that are real and natural. Supernatural is just fine in fantasy, but PNT looks to nature, skepticism and to science for its base.

Belief #3 - Null is bigger And ...

Null is the unknown, the indeterminate, the not yet learned. It is where all things come. One is a subset of the many. First and Before are contained in an ordered list. These are all known and limited.
Sayings like "I am the One", or "No other before me", all can be true AND be contained. First in a ordered list no matter how large, grand, good or whatever, is still small enough to be contained. A circle of infinite radius with a fractal edge is still contained in the set of circles, the set of fractals.
The beauty of the null is it can contain the perfect and the imperfect, the good, the bad, the many, the few or the zero, it can even contain the imaginary.

Null is not Nothing

True and False are specific claims. Up and Down are also specific. Something and nothing are specific.

Null is the unknown. In a logic truth table you will see values of true, false and null. Null is not nothing, it is that a value is not known. In computers, if a string variable is null, that means has no value. Use the idea of the field for someone's middle initial. The field is blank when someone submits it. Does that mean they have no middle initial or they just did not type it in. Having a null value in a middle initial cannot claim that the person does not have a middle name or initial, just that we do not yet know. In some systems people will use symbols like "#" or "*" to indicate that they do not have a middle name or initial. Now we have specific information. We can say affirmatively they have nothing for a middle initial or name.

Null is actually the biggest container. It holds both something and nothing. It holds anything and everything. It is the largest container and the smallest container. It can hold universes, sub atomic particle ideas or a vague cloudy thought.

Nothing is not null. Nothing is a specific state. A known state, not an unknown. In some computer languages it can be difficult to tell if a variable does not have a specific value. To know if it is "empty" (a known value) or "null" (unknown or never/not yet assigned).

Null Theism or PNT is not about belief in nothing. It is quite the opposite. It is belief in the unknown. Science loves the unknown. Learning, exploring, growing.

J.

Poly Null Theist

Last night I spent some time really digging over some old posts about "nulltheist" ideas that have been kicking around the internet. First thing I really wanted to do was to start from my own premise which has roots in other conversations and ideas but to make it specific and distinct.

So first thing is "nulltheism" or "null theism" has been around for quite a while. What I wanted to do was find a way of making this specific. "Null Theism" is a concept. Just like "Atheism", "Agnostic" and so on.

I spent some time over the last 2 days thinking about the ideas and how should I make this concept into something specific. So specific that it can be distinctly recognized as a religion.

After thinking about it for past several days and really getting clarity last night, I came to the conclusion that the best label for the "religion" side was "Poly Null Theism", "Polynulltheism", "PNT".

A big part of this faith is acceptance, skepticism, containment, strategy, tactics. So a Mono model means that one side has to be wrong. Since we are using faith here, we have the benefit of bigger beliefs that can contain yours and ok to dissolve yours away.

At this point "poly" has no number, can be 2, 3, 4, any number. Not specific at the time of this writing but may become better defined in the future. I think if a default number is needed then "2" is the most practical in most cases especially when interacting with monotheists, but other numbers are just as welcome because the idea behind null is the unknown.

Belief #2 - Poly Null Theism

Just a quick math review.
 1 x 0 = 0
 2 x 0 = 0
 3 x 0 = 0
 1 x null = null
 2 x null = null
 3 x null = null

Mono Null Theism = Poly Null Theism

Why settle for 1 when 2 is so much more controversial. Plus all the things that Binary systems have. So male/female, he/she, black/white, up/down all require a duality. Or we could go with Trilogy/tertiary model of Red/Green/Blue, or beginning/middle/end  and so on.

Mono Null Theism and Poly Null Theism are two sides of same coin. Oh Wait... You get the idea. Null Theism allows the full expression of ideas that best move the strategy and tactics forward.

Belief #1 - Be found, be loud and be heard

In order for a religion or idea to spread it need to take shape. It needs to find places that it can be shared. It needs to find ways to get over and past the existing noise or barriers. And finally, it needs to not just be broadcast but also to find ears willing to listen and engage.

"A Moment of Silence". Well thank you for that null moment for us to share our message.

"In God We Trust". Well thank you for being submissive to the null god. We are happy to spread the word about your unconditional surrender.

Null Theism as a Religion

Null Theism as a religion is going to be an interesting journey in the development of this path. It is definitely not something I can do alone and I am sure will cause tons of controversy in both religious, non-religious, Atheist, and Secular areas.

The first and most important premise (as least as I am writing this, and I am sure others will jump to the front) is that Null Theism is based on the core beliefs of "Strategy" and "Tactics". Not a belief in any particular Strategy or Tactic, but the idea and model of using Strategy and Tactics. Having a belief system is core to a religion, believing in usage of Strategy and Tactics is a great foundation for making changes in a person, group or community.

Strategy and Tactics provide a solid foundation on which all subsequent beliefs can be built upon.

J

Journey begins with "Null" Theism

What is this Null stuff I keep talking about? and what is Null Theism?

I thought I would explore these ideas a little in this post. Overall this is a very rich subject that will eventually cover chapters worth of information. But I figured I would start with the most basic idea and understanding.

Before I begin with the definition it may help to understand where I am coming from and the simple definition will then make more sense.

I am an Atheist, Agnostic and Ignostic. These all start from an idea of not having a belief or knowledge of a God or Gods. One of the difficulties with all these labels is they say what someone is not. There are ways people have stated beliefs in more positive way as humanists, free thinkers, and other such secular positions. The one thing that is missing is a way to state some sort of atheist position but in an affirmative position. That is where the idea of Null Theism was started.

In the scientific world, if someone is going to begin a journey of exploration, it begins with the idea of a Null Hypothesis. You don't necessarily have a destination, but you may have a falsifiable initial position.

My idea was to take that idea of the Null Hypothesis and apply it to Theism. Thus became the idea of "Null Theism". It is the idea of an affirmative belief in a "Null" god (Note lower case 'g'). The idea of null is that it is indeterminate. In a logic situation you may have conditions of True, False and Null. Null means that it may be true or false or maybe not even known or knowable.

Core ideas behind Null Theism is the ideas come from Atheism, Skepticism, Rationalism, Science, Reason and the desire to make the world we live a better place.

Another key idea behind Null Theism is while Atheism tries to distance itself from religion, Null Theism looks to stand up directly and proudly using the religion label for all the power that designation carries, including recognition by individuals, communities and government bodies. Not as a "fake" religion like Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM), but instead a genuine positive position in Rational religion. That is definitely going to be challenging.

J

The development path of The Null Theist

I wanted to start with this first real post to tell about the journey I am trying to undertake with the Null Theist.

First, this blog serves to record the development of my ideas, feelings, reasons and other aspects on the development of what I am calling "Null Theism". I don't know if this idea has existed before or if their is a similar idea to borrow from. My preliminary searches did not turn up what I was specifically looking to express.

As this blog progresses it is very likely that I will make statements, presuppositions, and other statements that very likely will be changed or completely reversed. That is ok, That is why this blog exists for me to put out these ideas, to get comments and feed back from individuals on what I might learn, new ideas, new directions, who knows?

I have a general idea as I start writing this of what I am planning on going toward and I will lay this out over the upcoming posts. I appreciate your comments, positive or negative, as long as they are constructive. I will automatically delete spam, trolls, hate speech and other non-productive comments.

I welcome you on this journey together with me.

J.

First Post

This is the first post to the blog. Nothing too important in this post than to establish the date and time of the blog being created and the first post at May 28th, 2014 at 11:17PM ET.

J